dr_con Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Because you can prove it doesn’t make it True (RE: Mallarme ) Logics most divine thrown into a void absolute ultimately unknowable To be good at divination one can’t believe in divination In this praise of Dark Magics the lies of assumptions are revealed by silly wizards practicing lines from books before mirrors in dingy shared bathrooms where Women learn to put up with Big Boy’s bad habits calling on Big Daddy’s crib notes now dressed in horns and tophats thinking a fortnight out will chill the Hanging Judge And they tried to cast out biology and neurology and cosmological physics as Demons They weren't white enough incepted on Arabic Mathematics They think they’ve been cursed by the irregular lines the almost sense the immoral algebras confounding expectations Exorcisms of the ordinary to paraphrase M Will never annul chance. Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmarti1 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 now dressed in horns and tophats I think there is disguised & dignified insult there. :) You do seem to be on an avant-garde bent here. Yours stanzas seem to flow from idea into new idea, even when I can't figure out what "immoral algebras" are. That "never annul chance" is mighty intriguing. It must be liberating to write these. Now you force me to find out more about Mallarme.....other than just his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyv Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 A few things that stand out for me ... To be good at divination one can’t believe in divination I suppose that could be true for a lot things. And the part about the bathrooms -- the lies of assumptions are revealed by silly wizards practicing lines from books before mirrors in dingy shared bathrooms where Women learn to put up with Big Boy’s bad habits -- makes me picture a scene in a rooming house. But the rest of the poem seems to be a criticism of mainstream dogma and its rejection of alternatives. Could it be that when it comes to any "proof" there has to be some axioms, some accepted "beliefs," even faith? For example, why does1+1=2? Why doesn't 1+1=11? Tony Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks DC & Tony! Excellent readings, and perfect timing. Tony in your response you answered the 'immoral algebras' question;-) Also I highly recommend Mallarme- who I have only read in translation, I'm sure the French would be far more interesting;-) He and Cezanne were close friends and are still referred to as a great collaboration between artists- pushing and prodding each other to become better artists and people. http://books.google.com/books/about/Selected_Poetry_and_Prose.html?id=h17w9p8ydQMC is a great introduction and one of my favorite lines (of his 'poem' on Hamlet ) is: Dice thrown never will annul chance. Pure imo genius- Its meaning is clear yet it is hard to articulate it! Much appreciation for your willingness to engage in my 'Avant Garde' pieces, although I see it as part of the LANGUAGE canon, where often the deeply self referential aspects between a community of poets becomes the metaphoric 'keys.' in the case myself and my poets friend Clifford Anderson and our circles. Juris Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank E Gibbard Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hi DC. It has to be said by me one time. OK like so many of your more intellectual this was way above my station (mm Paddington let's say - that's a London rail one) I'll keep reading, trying, very trying for my sins. Regards thanks for reviewing my simple pieces as befits yours truly. Cheers as ever - long live PMO Tony and the sweet Alex/ Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Cheers Frank! And it is entirely my problem. There was (is) a small culture of poets who used obscure metaphors and self referential BS to create poems which were important to them and their ever diminishing circles, sometimes I get caught up in that folly i.e. L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E and its overall useless and more of a puzzle quest than anything else. Your poetry on the is not 'simple' it is deeply complex and often moving in varied ways. I appreciate your work and its context in the canon of poetics. On the other hand if I don't write these pieces I get caught in loops of mad drivel and become incapable of writing sanely and cleanly. I envy anyone who effortlessly seems to achieve perfect pieces, that are intelligible and well wrought every time! ;-) Many Thanks for your continued efforts to engage with my BS;-) Juris Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedalus Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I follow the connecting threads, even when invisible ... but I can't really comment on this one. The theme, I think, is too broad, so that changes in register become offputting, even (very slightly) annoying. I like quite lot of your writing, so please accept this comment as an observation, not a criticism. Best wishes, Brendan Quote Drown your sorrows in drink, by all means, but the real sorrows can swim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 No worries Brendan! I appreciate the feedback and I can see your points: Besides it is my least favorite of the current crop;-) Much appreciation! Juris Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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