dcmarti1 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 The whole enormous sadness of a shirt(With proper title credit to Jack Kerouac)The whole enormous sadness of a shirtat the discount store, three sizes too largeand on a broken hanger at that.You do not want to be there, in that storenor in that city -- much more so the city.Duty is far more concretely observable,far more patently obvious than love,but not the least bit holy nor honourable.From the grave, Dag has asked you,"Have you fancied another sort of burden?"From the grave, Dag has scolded you,"It is easy to be nice -- from lack of character."This whole enormous sadness from a shirtthat would not even properly fit you;that was probably sewn by cheated labour;that is in a city where you are unmasked;that calls you to a greater sacrifice. (The title is from a sentence from Jack Kerouac's On The Road, Part 1, Chapter 10. The quotes in italics are from Dag Hammarskjold's book Markings.) Quote
dr_con Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Weird just posted and it disappeared;-) What I said was: Marvelous! Stunning and apt. I just read from my twitter feed this: It is natural law that relationships built on rights perish. And relationships built on duties flourish. I was contemplating the truthiness of this when I read this poem providing part of the answer;-) My favorite of your recent spate of excellent poems! Juris Quote thegateless.org
dcmarti1 Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 My favorite of your recent spate of excellent poems! Juris Thank you very much. And this IS my very newest, written in my new abode in my old home state. Coming to grips with this new life..... Quote
tonyv Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Oh, man. Is relief that it's not me appropriate? Damn, I'm glad it's not (yet) me! Excellent poem to ponder the predicament. Gotta stay hopeful. Things will get better. Tony Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic
dr_con Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Thank you very much. And this IS my very newest, written in my new abode in my old home state. Coming to grips with this new life..... I managed San Antonio for 8 months before running back to California. Spend lots of time in Austin and a good friend of mine manages 'Cave Without a Name' if you need time alone in the hills;-) ! J Quote thegateless.org
badger11 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 The problem I find Marti is that the title is surreal, but the poem isn't. The poem seems to want to provide a narrative, be conscious rather than subconscious. Obviously it works for others. So once again it is just a perspective. Quote
dcmarti1 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Posted November 2, 2013 The problem I find Marti is that the title is surreal, but the poem isn't. The poem wants to provide a narrative. Obviously it works for others. So once again it is just a perspective. I'll take commentary any way I can! I had not thought about the title being SURREAL; it did not strike me that way, just as something "deep". Too much narrative would just make it sound more "woe is me" than it already does.....I think. I am lucky to be writing again at all! ha Quote
badger11 Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 I think. I am lucky to be writing again at all Yes, that is the relevant point. Quote
Gatekeeper Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 "Duty is far more concretely observable,far more patently obvious than love,but not the least bit holy nor honourable." Really? How so? I don't fine support for this contention in your poem. Quote from the black desert
dcmarti1 Posted November 6, 2013 Author Posted November 6, 2013 "Duty is far more concretely observable, far more patently obvious than love, but not the least bit holy nor honourable." Really? How so? I don't fine support for this contention in your poem. Was hoping the 2 Dag Hammarskjold quotes would do it, but even a liberal believer might remember 1 Corinthians 13: "...if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing..." Did not mean for this to be a test. ;) Quote
Benjamin Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Interpretation may vary according to the readers aspect which is one of the qualities of a good poem. Paying respect to ones readers (by leaving them some work to do) can be a delicate balance. Many of the great poets made references to things, with the assumption that their readers were 'au fait' with the things they were. For my own world-entrenched self I focused on the lines "The whole enormous sadness of a shirt....that was probably sewn by cheated labour;" Well done! Quote
David W. Parsley Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 dc, the whole thing works very well for me. I should not have initially thought appreciation of your theme would necessitate familiarity with either Markings or the First Epistle to the Corinthians by an "apostle born out of season." One of the values of this site, as you astutely observe, is the opportunity for responses from many perspectives. And I confess that my reading background bears long familiarity with the aforementioned epistle. Many things are born out of season, often from situations brought about by our responses to duty. While I have often felt as you apparently did while writing this poem, I urge you (and myself) to remind yourself that such duties as we assume, are permanent remnants in an individual's make-up. And they became permanent because of that most noble of urgings and assertions: love, from however long ago. You don't have to be currently feeling it to still be impelled by it. Your poem brings that point home well for this reader. A final philosophical note comes from a reconsideration of the most famous quotes attributed to William McKinley, 25th US President: "Duty determines destiny." - Dave Quote
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