dedalus Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 There’s something wrong in him, you can see it in his eyes although his talk is controlled and careful, here in Bridgie Carney’s pub with the black Clare night seeping in from outside and the narrow road of the Hand rising and sweeping down to the sea. And over across is America, three thousand miles of nothing before you arrive at a further nothing, replete with hope and broken promises, where so many thousands of our people live with slight imrovements and the hearts of lonely beggars. Seán Jimmy is singing a slan nois now, a floating song that needs no music, and the talk in the place subsides except for the droning voice of your man banging on about his cars and company, and how happy he is to have made a new life, unaware of, closed off, from the life around him. Quote Drown your sorrows in drink, by all means, but the real sorrows can swim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmarti1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 unaware of, closed off, from the life around him. Yup, sums it up..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedalus Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Sums up what, then, exactly? Actually, this is a fairly accurate rendition of things I have noticed with RYs (Returned Yanks) on my not infrequent visits to one or more of the many pubs we have around the champion city. In this one I'm off in the Wesht of Oirland, in Clare beside the ocean, in a real little place on a distant country road, hemmed in by a total absence of light and the blue pulsations of distant stars. Quote Drown your sorrows in drink, by all means, but the real sorrows can swim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmarti1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Sums up what, then, exactly? Closed off or disconnected, you are right. Reality TV, cultural paranoia, de-education, political demonizing: all these have fractured culture and will ultimately break/destroy us. It is only a matter of time; I do not think it will get better. Now, I could not fill out a blank map of African nations, but I know Africa is a continent; some USA legislative candidates did not. It is now a badge of honor to ONLY know things that are American. USA! USA! USA! Your line about "cars and company" could have easily been "cars and guns"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedalus Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share Posted December 22, 2013 Oh, dear ... afraid you could be right. Americans do seem to have this idea of exceptionalism, of being better, different, a cut above everywhere else. In some ways they are - I don't want Paco jumping out of woods at me with a tomahawk! - but an hour of so with a world statistics manual would rank them lower than a number of countries in certain specific areas. The Malaise of Modernity is not restricted to the US by any means but has taken hold in other places as well. Here in Japan we have a new Secrecy Act which could literally shut down the press and put ordinary citizens at risk for free and open discourse on the Internet. 82% of the people are opposed but the govt couldn't give a toss and passed the Act with a large majority. The NY Times has a rather chilling article on the subject: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/opinion/japans-dangerous-anachronism.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1& Quote Drown your sorrows in drink, by all means, but the real sorrows can swim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Yes indeed. Lovely poem, as always. Its not just exceptionalism, it is also our wiping out of history and sense of place. We are a relatively young empire, and often are fed obvious lies as history. Someone who has been 'amercanized' can, and often does, undo his place in the world. It is hard to reconnect with a culture that goes back as far as the Irish whole culture, let alone the localized narratives of old county's with those who have lived or chosen to live there. Juris Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdelano Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Jumping out of the woods: I am not personally a patriot to a belief in 'exceptionalism,or especially 'manifest destiny'. I am a patriot to our Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States. I believe they are both wonderful instruments of philosophy and laws, both ideals to help us guide our lives. We polyglotAmericans, like every other society, have failed to live up to those ideals, because weare humans, not ideas. Every culture and belief system is constantly changing with events and beliefs. None of us will ever live up to our ideals. Still, without our instruments of idealism, what governs our morality? American history is just as rife with injustice as almost any other nation's record. The Irish are somewhat unique in never having been a united state, but faithful only to religion or regional pride. In the U.S., their record, admirable at times, was almost always one of going with the situational flow--as in the little war with Mexico--with never a thought to the oath freely given to gain citizenship. Is Irish history superior to U.S. history? No, and it's not worse; it just is. We are individuals and must accept responsibility for our actions, actions which may be popular today and condemned tomorrow. Brings to mind the adage about casting stones in a glass house. Why the need to incessantly disparage a society that is in constant flux? Do we fault the youth in harms way for the dishonesty of our leaders? We have before, and will likely do so again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Some very interesting comments above; although the poem itself for me, re-kindles words from an Eric Bogle song, "Going back to Dublin." The lyrics of many of Bogle's songs are significant and well worth a read. "But Paddy sings a fading song He knows he never can go home; A stranger there and an exile here, He lives somewhere in between. And the Ireland of his heart's recall, If it ever did exist at all, Now only lives and wistfully moves Through Paddy's dreams." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyv Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 ... in Clare beside the ocean, in a real little place on a distant country road, hemmed in by a total absence of light and the blue pulsations of distant stars. A poem in itself, Brendan. Here is a picture, taken in Ireland, that I found online: To me it embodies your words in this quote which I would love to see you incorporate into a poem. As for the Irish, I've said before that I've tried to understand them. And though I've never met an Irishman from Ireland whom I didn't like, sadly many of the people of Irish descent I grew up amongst in Massachusetts seemed miserable to me, always as if there was a chip on their shoulders. There was a cliquishness I found distasteful. Not sure why that was there. Upbringing? Religion? Guilt? The answer for me was moving to a different county. I felt more at home amongst the Portugese and Italians, lol. Good poem and discussion that followed. Tony Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedalus Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Glad to see things spit, stall, and stumble off to a ragged start with the URS - usual ring of suspects - throwing out barbed opinions from the campfire circle. Three things appeal to me. The first is Paco's firm distinction between humans and ideas, in which I can imagine some little figure marching up to his kneecap and rapping out: "Excuse me, my name is So and So and I am a human, not an idea, got that"? The second is Benjamin's revelation of Eric Bogle's song lyrics. The stanza he quoted shut me up mid-sentence. And the third is Tony's photo of the night sky over Ireland. These are the bits that stuck. With regard to Tony's comments on Irish-Americans, I know there was a debate going on in Ireland about that very topic not long ago. Irish Irelanders were/ are very thankful to the hyphenated crowd for their friendliness and support in finding them jobs and places to live in America, esp. along the East Coast, but found them very stubborn and difficult to deal with on nationalist topics, i.e Northern Ireland and relations with the Brits. 'They are literally generations out of date' was the general complaint. And then there was the anti-black discrimination thing, a nasty feature of Irish-America. Similar people, but not the same: divergent histories since the 1840s. But the Irish-Americans have been EXTREMELY helpful to new Irish immigrants. Cheers, Bren Quote Drown your sorrows in drink, by all means, but the real sorrows can swim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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