dr_con Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Selfportrait as Murder Mystery A Multimedia Poem in 3 Acts Act 1 (Inciting Incident) “Why the introduction of the raven / where there had been crows?” - Media: Found Poetry A. Baez / Doc Concrescence Authors Where did he go? Inspector Raven asked as he shooed away the murder of crows leaving an absence where a Crime should be The truth is he said people always expect it to go god god god god what have I done all nice and 4/4 isn’t it? more likely ¾ like red red red stab red red red hit red red red push red red red poison red red red whack That’s more the way of it truth is you walk up to the scene and it’s a right mess blood everywhere or eerily absent and you wake up one day and the You that loved rhythm and form has scampered left without a forwarding address or a by-your-leave sometimes driven by passion a breakup or a birth or even a death you think the Other killed part of you never to return but they just took their part the silly third the created character when you and me always creates 3 little like a Reader and a Writer create the Book he said as he scratched his feathered brow beneath the moss-colored hat Without either it doesn’t exist don’t it? except as a doorstop or an agg -- regation of atoms maybe photons or whatever the kids create and cleave these days but more often and if I’m wrong I swear I’ll go self-carrion and eat my own flesh slowly over Time until naught is left but dust and rags like the Old Scarecrow over there right by the unexpected line break He goes on on on and on getting the gist after all he did but digress his charnel-house-chatter dismissed nothing at all a stream - of - consciousness signifying what? a monologue predictable and dull like awakening and still being alive I should take over: the question that needs answering I said is How did he do it? a disappearance of absence of kidnap of murder of misidentification of a fundamental lack of not poetry but a description of outrage of crime of - - of narrative structure a motif a thematic plot Self as beginning-middle-end We have a Witness he said who says they saw it as more a topology whose texture is driven by trope Nah that’s not it That’s why you’ll never be more than a Sergeant Inspector Raven said You don’t even know what you’re looking for using big words like that means something when really you’re Lost lost lost lost (loop) /lôst,läst//lôst,läst//lôst,läst//lôst,läst/ Act 2 (Identity & Essence) “I think you'd be able to get away with it better if there were more clarity ensuing. But why the phonetical constructions, anyway?” - Media: Discourse/Critique A . Baez. Dr. Con authors back again back back to the swoosh of the real never to be represented adequately except as Art by its very nature creates IT (the representation of the window opening past midnight in the over/over/cast dark redolent of The Mystery CRICK CREEK CRAW will never fully capture the see-saw trill Mrs.Crow’s Heart made when occupied in her aptly cast role as Enforcer & Spy saw the goat legged Abyss stare back at her from the mist draped hedgerow What was she doing You might rightly ask middle of the night What time do you call This? O’clock hoping to capture a tryst a sordid affair a witness of a presenting of evidence a Uh knew he was up to na’good a story a piece of gossip she could barter for a satisfying once and for always Explanation! and although the house formerly a museum had stood empty for many many many many years (Too many! unless you meant ⅘) she looked to a Me who was too long long gone to provide it) I once was a victim I sd didn’t know I spoke and thought recklessly ‘til it was pointed out You have an unusual way of saying things like you’re smarter than us she sd /Reference The Black Mountain School for contraction of said although I’m doing It all wrong and NO I’m not going to call on LANGUAGE poets to defend myself/ Your Honor I sd I didn’t understand the context It wasn’t my intention to hurt anyone’s feelings it's just the way I translate Silence SILENCE he sd What does that have to do with the case in question? Or the preposition of You and Me? Not I? I sd. at depth and at length To summarize the prosecution's case in one sentence: Is the subject subject to the objectification of its nature as object? I mean you might as well ask Transubstantiation anyone? Act 3 (Climax/Lives transformed) “The very specific, personal mental associations that you have, and that you undoubtedly take for granted, may not feel at all natural to a reader, who may well come to the page with a very different range of life experiences. ” Media: Photograph -- Paint -- Print -- Fair Use -- Perspective -- Reflection -- Selfie Juris Ahn artist To summarize the Defense: On day 2 of the sesshin Roshi told us If you find yourself with legs cramping tempted to break silence frustrated remember you’re doing this to yourself You chose to be here. OR As Robert Creeley said to the class (Name drop much? Have no idea why I put up with this pretentious REDACTED all the way to the end) about a piece I’d written “Is it Poetry?” Remembering this now from the dead eyes gazing at me from the bottom/left of the frame the only reasonable answer NO it was Murder! Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 This is meant as a bit of fun! It is not meant to offend - I was struck by Baez's comments on /kyärəˈsk(y)o͝orō/ and realized how it really didn't bother me, rather, I found it inspirational and deserving of the kind of bardic smackdown poets are wont to do;-) Many Thanks for the inspiration! Had a great deal of fun composing this. Dr. Con Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Baez Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 😃 🤪 😳 🥶 🤡 🥵 🧐 🥺 👾 No words! No words!!! Except, I notice you didn't credit me for my quote introducing Act 3. 😉 And, who needs drugs when we have Dr. Concrescence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 TY! AB --- a really great compliment and a nice picture;-) I can add you as author to part 3 but I did see it as a progression From the initial 'Found Poetry' and Dr. Concrescence to the personal 'real name -- Juris Ahn, at which point its not as much about 'your' critique but my personal reaction to it -- Hence the Media listed as 'Fair Use.' I can absolutely give you credence if so desired, originally, rather than Fair Use, I was just gonna write 'plagiarism' which I can also do;-) ! Much Gratitude for your kind response and 'good sportship' DC&J Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Baez Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I'm actually getting a lot more out of this this morning than last night. Now that it's starting to seem coherent, it's starting to seem brilliant. I love the concept of the poet being put on trial within a poem of his own, about his earlier poem, which featured a murder, and which, a critic (who has been summoned to testify) alleges killed something poetical in the process. I'm thinking Italo Calvino, or...have you and Carroll ever sat down for tea? "It's just the way I translate silence:" as in Joyce, a pure and classic jewel sloshing amidst the stew. About the "fair use" designation, I see! Quote I can absolutely give you credence Ha! I guess so, since the verdict came out in my favor. But credit isn't needed. I'd like to think that those words I uttered spoke for more than just myself. "Is it Poetry? No it was Murder!" Hilarious. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyv Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 A worthy collaboration! (And now they're bickering over credits, for the royalties I presume.) I wasn't there, Juris, but you were ... Would be very interested to know in what context Creeley asked his question. Was it rhetorical? Was he asking someone's genuine, subjective opinion? It's not necessarily a negative ... Tony Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Baez Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yes, Tony, this postmodern-feeling enterprise definitely has sparked my imagination! Creeley's question sounds like a simple echo of the hallmark question of modernism, "Is it art?" People began to throw around that question in almost any context that presented starting in the mid-forties, when the prevailing trend became to philosophize, more deeply than ever, on what the fundamental attributes of art were and how many of its traditional elements could be stripped away while still maintaining that designation. Of course, similar trends swept across all art forms, including poetry, and I imagine Creeley was simply picking up that thread. I'm sure that someone somewhere along the line asked, "What about one single word, or letter--is that (or could that be) poetry?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_con Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yes AB You have the scene fairly correct;-) Tony, it was not meant to be a negative thing, but it happened at the end of class, and so the 'teaching moment' it was meant to be, was lost and I ended up with a great deal of self doubt and loathing;-) Mind you this was 30 years ago? But it took awhile before I began to write again -- The context (If your interested) was I had been reading Richard Brautigan and was feeling rather inspired by his poetic vignettes and was attempting to do (I found Leslie Scalapino in '"Considering How Exaggerated Music Is" to be a master at) was do a form of prose/poem and was a bit of a druggie/geek/hipster surrounded by non-literature majors who were baffled by the beats but needed an easy credit -- I assume Creeley would have argued that it was poetry- But I never found out. HA! Juris Quote thegateless.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyv Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Thank you A. Baez, for your thoughts and Juris, for the anecdote. I'm no expert when it comes to art history, to all the various art and literary movements. But I do think it's possible to like samples from more than one, even many different ones. I took the tour when visiting the Dali museum in St. Petersburg, Florida, and I remember the tour guide recounting that one of the reasons Dali painted "The Basket of Bread" was to silence the critics who opined that he only painted in his usual surreal style because he lacked classical skill. I saw the work up close, and the detail was exquisite. I'm excited by all the different styles of poetry/art, and I have found works I love in a mutlitude of styles. There will always be naysayers, closed minded haters, etc. I came across Whistler's "Nocturne in Black and Gold" recently while engaged in some art appreciation online. It has an interesting background story. The work was controversial, despised by many! How ridiculous. I happen to love the painting. Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Baez Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Juris, I hadn't been at all sure whether the Creeley episode you recounted was a real event or part of the sprawling mythological web you were spinning! How amazing that you got to study under that luminary! Now, I'm not big into modernist poetry, but I know enough about it to know that Creeley is a big name. Tony, I'm no expert in art and literary history, either, but I did take a class in college called Art and Criticism 1945-present, so I do feel as though I have a key to modern art and modernism more broadly that many people don't seem to have. I learned to see this art through a different lens than that of other art and not judge it very much by traditional standards, which in many or even most cases were simply never meant by the artists to apply. Your anecdote about Dali is a case in point. (I went to that Dali museum too!) Similarly, Picasso was adept as a realist before he started going in very different, and more famous, directions. I love Nocturne in Black and Gold! The use of negative space here, accentuated by the "negative" quality of the black sky, is so effective. Personally, I would think that Whistler would be quite a safe way for people to tip their toes into modernism, because he still had a fairly firm foot in tradition. I live very close to the Freer Gallery in Washington, DC, where my mother was a docent for years when I was a child and which houses a large Whistler collection. I spent quite a few hours as a young person tagging my mother in that museum, gazing at the Whistler works there and once, listening to a long and detailed lecture on this artist. So I feel a special affinity for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyv Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 9:06 PM, A. Baez said: Tony, I'm no expert in art and literary history, either, but I did take a class in college called Art and Criticism 1945-present, so I do feel as though I have a key to modern art and modernism more broadly that many people don't seem to have. I learned to see this art through a different lens than that of other art and not judge it very much by traditional standards, which in many or even most cases were simply never meant by the artists to apply. Your anecdote about Dali is a case in point. (I went to that Dali museum too!) Similarly, Picasso was adept as a realist before he started going in very different, and more famous, directions. I love Nocturne in Black and Gold! The use of negative space here, accentuated by the "negative" quality of the black sky, is so effective. Personally, I would think that Whistler would be quite a safe way for people to tip their toes into modernism, because he still had a fairly firm foot in tradition. I live very close to the Freer Gallery in Washington, DC, where my mother was a docent for years when I was a child and which houses a large Whistler collection. I spent quite a few hours as a young person tagging my mother in that museum, gazing at the Whistler works there and once, listening to a long and detailed lecture on this artist. So I feel a special affinity for him. All I can add to this is that I'm envious (in a good way) that you were able to see Whistler's originals, up close and personal, and to have been able to take in the lecture. The art world is so rich why should one limit himself? Of course, there will always be preferences -- I myself am very particular as to what schools of art, painting, sculpture, poetry, music I like -- but I also like what some might characterize as bad art, specifically outsider art and naive art. What's not to like about the Repast of the Lion? And then there's the MOBO, the Museum of Bad Art. I would probably pass on that one, though. There's too much good bad art to take in online to justify setting aside the timeslot for a dedicated trip. Quote Here is a link to an index of my works on this site: tonyv's Member Archive topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Baez Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Yes, there's an appeal to Rousseau's paintings that I can't think my way around. I'd never heard of the category "outsider art," but I certainly understand the concept, and it's an interesting niche. I'd never heard of MOBA, either--again, good to know about. Too much good bad art online--ha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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